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Aaaaagh · Jul 10, 2005, 01:41 AM // 01:41

The reason this idea has been repeatedly shot down is because most (gaming) people dont want to play (pvp) vs a challenge, they want to win. Most (gaming) people dont have fun losing in pvp, so logically this idea doesnt suit their purpose.

How many games have you played where there is open pvp, and the lvl 50 hoser runs by you and one-shots you? No challenge, but I promise they got some enjoyment out of it.

JoDiamonds · Jul 10, 2005, 04:05 AM // 04:05

I think maybe that's true for some hardcore people, but not most players, especially not repeatedly. Seriously, not to stereotype, but the kind of person who likes to play fully open PvP (in games besides Guild Wars) and kill every low level person they run by is not the average player. The average guy might do it once or twice for a laugh, but that's about it.

It's really not much fun, even ignoring whether or not people want a challenge. It's just over too fast, and you didn't even do anything.

spirit_of_ice · Jul 10, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

I think its a fairly good idea. And all the people who have said "its a crap idea" seem to have completely misunderstood your point and treated it as if handicaps would be included in the GvG ladder (which they wouldn't).

He asked for them in UNRANKED GvG (read that, yeah it says unranked...like... not ranked...or the opposite of ranked...get it yet?) not the ladder. So some guild with a rank of X fights a guild with rank X-600 in ladder match. no handicap, rank X guild slaughters them. They go "Okay, that wasn't really very fun" then PM them asking if they want an unranked handicap match. They agree and play. They have fun. X still wins, but they get much more enjoyment from it as X-600 guild actually put up a fight.

Please, tell me how that can be exploited...oh wait, it can't.

RTSFirebat · Jul 10, 2005, 03:56 PM // 15:56

I still don't like this idea since I'd like to be able to fight all players on the same skill level with or without handicaps.

JoDiamonds · Jul 10, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40

RTSFirebat: You still can, if they want to. That ability is not taken away.

If there's a team you want to play without handicaps, and they refuse to except for handicaps... well, do you think they'd normally want to play against you at all? More than likely, those people just won't play against high ranked PvP groups, and you lose the option to ever battle against them.

theclam · Jul 10, 2005, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Handicaps are bad. Matching teams to each other according to skill is good. It's better to play someone who is at your level, than to play someone who is better than you, but gimped.

JoDiamonds · Jul 11, 2005, 02:55 AM // 02:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by theclam

Matching teams to each other according to skill is good. It's better to play someone who is at your level, than to play someone who is better than you, but gimped.

This is all true. I don't understand why you think this makes handicaps bad.

It's best to play someone of equal skill.
It's worst to play someone of wildly different skill; neither side will have any fun.
It's somewhere in the middle to play someone of wildly different skill level with a handicap. (Note that handicapping doesn't have to be gimping per se; could just be bonuses for the smaller team, if that matters.) This is likely to lead a game which is fun for both sides, when it couldn't exist before.
If teams are of equal skill, there won't be a handicap.

Handicaps would make the unfun cases fun. The best case is obviously still the best case, and handicaps wouldn't have any effect on that. I don't understand why having them available would be bad in any way. (That's asking for it, I know, but no one has given a reason why having handicaps available would be a bad thing.)

smgzor · Jul 13, 2005, 12:50 AM // 00:50

I just read that you said hall of heroes is the highest level of pvp and stopped reading.

JoDiamonds · Jul 13, 2005, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by smgzor

I just read that you said hall of heroes is the highest level of pvp and stopped reading.

Erm. OK. I did mention it as an example of one of the highest levels, though not specifically the highest.

Perhaps I am truly ignorant, but why did you stop reading? I'm sure you'll only look down on me more for not knowing something, or for having a differering opinion from yours, but what are the high levels of PvP? Did I offend you by not mentioning something else specific?

Edit: Or, is it just that you don't like the shorthand of Hall of Heroes for Tombs? No, still confused.

-Actually Bewildered